Iraq war - Fallujah

Please watch this video from Free Speech Web. It's about the city, Fallujah in Iraq. It clearly shows how American military force destroyed the city and killed thousands of innocent citizens.

It's so horrible and heartbreaking to watch...

http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/contentviewer.php?content_id=1120

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RUBBISH ....the citizens of Fulluga WERE ASKED
to Leave.........they did not leave because they
were Saddam Husseins SUPPORTERS.

Moreover ,personally i do not like ANY policy where
INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE....

Saddam Hussein and the Sunnies were killing Innocent
Shites ....

SO whether US is Or is not in IRAQ( whether US
go for war in Iraq or did not go to war ...the end conclusion is KILLING OF INNOCENT people was continuous state of LIFE in IRAQ..

that is why i said the FIRST step is for the IRAQI
people to STOP Fighting like cats and dogs and
start thinking of the future of Iraq where all people
Sunnies and shites can COEXIST etc.

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Coming to the US troops in Iraq

As long as there are Us troops in Iraq....there will
be Casualties...

The question is .....If you are afraid to die.....you should
not join the military force.....

If you are not Convinced of what you are fighting and dying for......don't join the military force.....

Many people say "People dying for nothing"
in other words....why did they join the forces in the first
place???????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok let's see here...

Fallujah (the "documentary") is a joke. The so called facts that were portrayed are so skewed. It amazes me to think of the amount of people that actually think this information is indeed fact. "..65 mosques were destroyed.." Where did this information come from? That bit of info in particular is a complete lie.

I'll tell you where my information came from....me. I've been to Iraq 3 times and every time I go and come back, I laugh at how liberals exploit, exaggerate, and blatantly lie to the public via FST. Ha!

Here's an idea/suggestion that I'll throw out there....GET THE INFORMATION YOURSELF. Then when you have, look at it for what it is. Don't use emotion or passion to interpret the information.

Who are the sheep...really?

tricky issue when is the right time to leave Iraq?

First Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people and others
have no right to be there.

Iraq Army needs to be built ....consider
the border area and size of Iraq

Making IRAQ baby democracy STRONG so that
it can stand on its OWN and FEND for itself.

HOW MANY ARMY Iraqi people needs to be trained
to secure the region and the neighbour hood houses
and the streets .

eg one million or 1 billion etc
So if say Million Iraqi People are trained...then
it will be time to leave Iraq.

1. THE PROGRESS Of IRaqi training

Next

What kind of training

1.Use of Bomb detecting equipment including
x rays

2.Use of Well trained dogs

3.Special TASK FORCE.
NEED to break the security task into small small
tasks .
eg Task force to handle kidnapping
eg Tasks force to do house checks on regular basis .
eg Tasks force gathers intelligence
eg Undercover task force people who mix with the locals
eg Tasks force to deals with borders
eg Task force search and confiscate illegal possession of weapons arms and amunation
NEXT BOMB material RDX....from where
this RDX come from.Where do people buy these things
and other explosive materials.
eg Task forces at key transport links,water ways
and check smuggling
eg Task force at religious places to moniter any
extreme ideology
eg Task force to handle Guarding of key infrastructure
eg Task force to gather data of all people and their
background and family links.
eg Task force to capture suspects and interrogate then
NOT TORTURE .......there must be other ways.
eg Observations many of the terrorists are highly
educated people.The west eg US and UK and other
countries need to check the university records of
all muslim arab and other who have done courses
in CHEMISTRY,ENGINEERING and others.

NOW how many people are required to do these tasks
and at what level or how many people are trained so far.

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i think ......instead of having one set of people doing all
the task ......there should be teams of special task
people .

Who do there ...do the task and completion their work
and leave....and other task team to continue from there
to be more effective and distribute the risk.

At this MOMENT how many IRAQI are ready ....if
necessary other countries need to also PUT more
resources to train more and more IRAQI and make
them strong.

NEXT Before leaving Iraqi the Zacawi And AlQueda
group need to be caught and dismantled.
It is no use leaving Iraq if TERROR groups are still
moving loose.The very purpose of being in Iraqi
is to get catch the Alqueda groups .

CONCLUSION

WHEN SHOULD ONE LEAVE IRAQ?

1.1000,000,000 plus Iraqi task forces ready and trained
and trouble areas secured .
2.The Alqaeda bandits need to be caught and their
operations dismantled......

BOMBs .....what is the driving force behind the bombs.
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just expression,may or may not be right.

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-Appears well planned..........the people appear
have bomb trained etc....

Trained somewhere ,by someone,sometime.

now...

1.Either former persons of Saddam regime.
2.Either support is coming from border countries
eg Place to hide,or bomb material to make such
big bombs ,other places outside Iraq where people
are trained.

3.Highly motivated people.There is big difference
between highly motivated and those that are
not.

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Broader stability.

1.It is not easy for x amt of Us troops to bring stability
in a countries if 3x of the people are working against /
opposite to them or a common goal.

Some may say that a few people among population
are causing instability.Then it that case the it should
be easy to capture the few people.

because the moment ...say your back is turned
people will go back to same lawless ways.

There is necessary to get more public and other people
who have public support in the process also
the former trained people need to be clear where
they are heading ..........

Also pressure and more important ........evidence
need to get public pressure on those countries
supporting .....

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KNOW before You Go

eg some isolated places should have surveillance
cameras to collect more and more evidence
of any suspicious people and movements of goods.

eg AVOID large vehicles and cars in crowded areas
more bombs can be hidden .

eg Camera and other devices collect sound or pictures
in border areas or coffee shop or petrol pumps
etc to gather more evidence and information.

eg these hidden devices should be placed in places
nobody expect the people placing them know.
say on high structures or have a permanent Satellite
around the areas to collect EVIDENCE...the key.....
without evidence people do not believe.

eg constant house to house checking routine
say there is a supicious house...... civilian people living
should be given an opportunity to come out.
this process should be recorded ....so that people
know that innocent civilians where given opportunity to
come out of the fire and bombs .....and not get trapped in the cross fire.

House to house checking is important because
after saddam statue fell........all the bombs and material
and firearms i guess were hidden in cilivian houses
.......

Suppose during a house check,Bombs are found.
Then one can ,find out more about the bombs
-any identification marks-dt of mfg or the name of the manufacturer.
-trace the type of bomb,whether former regime
or made outside iraqi.
-tech and the process that may be used to make the bomb eg the raw material,the mach to make the parts
etcetc
-take the bomb shell to the forensic labs .those people
can get a lot of information even from a hair strand,
special equipment,find for finger prints etc .

All these details can give clues to the SOURCE of the
bomb and then Conclusions about WHO is behind
all those bombs?

secondly once the arms and bombs control in the
hands of civilians is there and in spite of it....there
are bomb ....then either ......these things
are being Smuggled or there is outside influence...

Check the smuggling people ....eg people who have
vehicles....water ways or trucks etc .

Interview their family members.......especially children of
the suspected members in the language they understand.....children may
provide interesting sound bite clues.....because
unlike adults children cannot manipulate etc etc....

watch the area know before you go.

eg say there is road or path and there should be
a bomb somewhere around the house....Obviously the people who has placed the bomb or knows about
the bomb will not use that path or road......by watching
their movements .....how the bomb placers move
around the neighbourhood where they have placed bombs

eg Catching the bomb placers....if one catches
one bomb maker .....entire process and be know
also other places or bombs and most important
the source of all the bomb drivers.

CONCLUSION

Improve and learn from all situations......to minimise
the risk

EVIDENCE and Proof
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In any dispute /conflict collection of evidence is necessary
see because NO matter what the issue is ....UNLESS
there is evidence.....there cannot be BLAME.

1.Observation....machine or human involvement
2.Materials,documents,people in the process.
eg Take people.....every person has a root
family,mother,father,children,relations,cook,a place
where they eat or wash,or fill petrol or sleep or whatever etc
information can be probed deeply ....
eg if a terrorist is staying in home obviously the people
staying under the same roof,may have information
or is holding information etc etc
3.Scientific methods involving tech tests ,etc
4.testing potential terrorist and in today world sting operations ....temptation operation.....like how the evil
try to tempt man...anyway.the operation of making
choices and decisions.
5.Surprise checks and visits ....
etc

IRAQ

Most people want PEACE in IRAQ

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1.IF all kinds of MUSLIMS learn to live in peace
with each other.....it is GOOD for all .......

but it the DIVIDE is just not possible seen from
the continuing fights and voting

alternatives need to be found to reduce,violence
choas ...and no progess( rebuilding and better living
standards like good food,housing,industry,jobs,tourism
etcbetter life

eg
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DIVINDING IRAQ and Seperating Iraq into 3 parts

the choices are few.either people get along or go seperate

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when the talk of divinding iraq comes up.....it
is view as bad measure.......

However let me remind you a case

take germany .there was west and east germany
divided countries .Then later in the future they unified
and peace was made.

so if iraq is divided TODAY ,it does not mean
in the future it cannot reunify.

Another eg is EUROPE made up of so many countries
and in history most conflict started from there
now...unification is taking place

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ECONOMY and Resources

Iraq economy will initially depend on OIL ....so
Iraq need to use its oil and make people lives
better.

NOW how will the oil resource be DIVIDED between the three kinds of muslims who cannot get along with
each other.

1.THE OIL may be located in two places
2.But that does not mean the RIGHT the oil has
to be located in the same place the oil is .

eg A TREATY or agreement can be made on the distribution of oil say 40%,25%, 35% other basis
depending on the people etc.
So that funds exist .

ALso all three parts need to ensure that women
and human rights are observed .and action
will be take against any extreme ideology or
organistion in those regions.

For the first 3 years UN will say supervise the process.

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CONCLUSION

Anything is possible.STABILITY and peace is the key
so that the evil cannot enter and make people suffer.
whether it is disaster or disease etc..the human race
must unite and help each other in this peace and
stability.

Fallujah
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Personal perpectives which can change with new facts

1. BATTLE of fallujah .The whole world got information
about it.Battle did not take place suddenly.Gradually
tanks surrounded and People KNEW battle was going to take place.

As far as i can recall......

the innocent people were informed that the Battle
was going to take place.

People Had to make a choice of ,comming out and
remaining in a Shelter Safe Zone.

UNFORTUNATELY

Some people in Falluja Choice to REMAIN and HELP
the militants.

Or

may be the Militants took the innocent people as
hostages.

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The point iam trying to make here,is that the innocent
people ,knowing that such battle is going to take place
should have GOT OUT of the fighting instead of
remaining there.

The point iam trying to make is that PEOPLE GOT
HAD the opportunity to Save their lives,but they remained
there and some died inthe Cross fire.

Saddam the brutal dictator WHO killed
many INNOCENT people is made DEFUNCT

The the responsibility of present bloodshed is on MUSLIMS themselves.

It appears,that the PEOPLE of Iraq themselves,are barbaric by nature.
and therefore Leaders become barbaric in order
to control ,discipline other barbarics and have some sort of order .

UNFORTUNATELY --IRAQI'S ARE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER in such barbaric,savage,uncivilised way.

And how long they will continue like this and WHEN will
SENSE prevail.

Let me EMPHASIS again and again, See......HOW

ONE TYPE OF MUSLIM is FIGHTING and killing and bombing OTHER TYPE OF MUSLIMS.

WHOSE fault is it?????????????????....
WHOSE fault is it?????????????????....
WHOSE fault is it?????????????????....

The fault is Iraqi MUSLIMs......

IRAQI have to STOP fighting
the CHOICE Is theirs .
What they want to make of their future.

PEACE is better way ,other wise the world will become
a BARBARIC world and using Barbaric ways to settle
conflicts. Barbars cut hair,but BARBARIC people cut people heads off.

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Iraqis need to first STOP FIGHTING amongst themselves
Next iraqi need to develop its economy and improve
life.

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UNFORTUNATELY,IRAQI cannot FUNCTION as
ONE country.

and therefore one has to SEEK alternatives LIKE
DIVIDING IRAQI into THREE PARTS to suit the fancy of each TYPE OF MUSLIM .if some muslims JUST
cannot live in peace with other muslims because
there is CYCLE OF revenge and NO FORGIVENESS and MERCY.

Salvation is all about the CONCEPT of forgiveness.
Unfortunity in the muslim culture,REVENGE is more dominant then MERCY and forgiveness.

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PROBLEMs

In all the muslim arab region,there is LACK of proper
Governing authority.either one get dictator or an extreme
leader or king ........Democracy also lead to a good leader
or a bad leader eg if people elect militants to be their leader....There something wrong somewhere....

One of the reason WHY WEST interferes is because
MUSLIM countries CANNOT HANDLE their own problemstake for eg,when Saddam invaded kuwait
the saudi was next and so they sought west protection.

of
1.Extremism and support for org that have extreme
ideology.Take of eg..dividing the world into INFIDELS
and others.We are all part of one world....and with such
ideology people cannot live in global interconected world.

2.export of terrorists.Take for eg....terrorists trained
in camp in one place and then MOVE to other parts
of the world and BOMB there.USING terror to impose
there extreme thinking.take attack business centre
they attack discos,they attack places of worship
they attack political structures,they attact transport and
innocent people deliberately ,planned and not accident
or mistake.

or even imposing the TALIBAN
STYLE on other people in the world. Treatment of women

If the WEST was not there,All women in MUSLIM world
will have a LIFE like the taliban women folk.West
protects basic rights and provides a BALANCE.

3.take ARAB league .How effective are they in SOLVING
MUSLIM problems like DEALING with dictators like SADDAM ( that invaded their own MUSLIM neighbour) or human development or education in the muslim world.

CONCLUSION
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War is LAST option.

At the same time

NOT TAKING action is the WORST option.Allow situation
to grow until the risk of managing it is too high.
take for eg,can one .....when a country become nuclear.
or take action(diplomatic and last resort) before a country become nuclear.