Creation and Evolution

Creation: 1. The act of creating or producing(~of the world)
2. Something that is created. 3. all created things:world.

Evolution: 1. A process of change in a particular direction. 2. one of a prescribed movements (as in a dance or a military exercise.) 3. a theory that the various kinds of plants and animals are descended from other kinds that lived in earlier times and that the differences are due to inherited changes that took place over generations.

The New Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

So much war between People about concepts. What is the REAL meaning of these words that People argue about rather than discuss, that People hate each other for not thinking the same way.
Why hate?

Creation exists and it is an obvious. I create something when I paint a picture. I was created within my Mother's womb by a specific action and a state of being of both my parents. This earth was somehow created-do we have to ARGUE about the how and why? Why not stop, look, listen, study, learn and THINK?
Evolution exists. Why do so many think that one cannot exist if the other exists? Evolution is obvious too. We have appendixes which at one time were necessary functioning organs in our bodies. Now that we eat differently we no longer have the need for the appendix like our ancestors once did and we can live quite well and happily without it as many People do. Evolution is caused by environmental hazards too-look at the many legged frogs that have cropped up in areas of the country. THAT is a process of evolution-of changes of a species. My mind has evolved through my life. We can be a part of the evolutionary process. We must be a part of acknowledging the fact of it if we want to work to stop the destruction of our species by hazardous evolution by practices of businesses and our own selves that harm our environment.
WHY discount what is a facT? WHY NOT ACCEPT THAT both CAN AND DO EXIST, AND WORK WITH THE REALITY OF THESE CONCEPTS?
Growing up we studied and learned of evolution in school. Growing up in a very religious household, my parents instructed us kids to write the answer by the school book for the grade and also write the biblical answer so that we don't deny our faith.
At the time it was quite annoying but since then I have learned what a valuable tool they gave me without realising it. It was their way of trying to keep us in their ways and beliefs, but what it helped me do is:
Look at both issues SIDE by SIDE and helped me use my brain to come to my own conclusions.
To say either Creation or Evolution does not exist is truly pure foolishness without looking at facts.
Religion-one's RIGHT to believe what they believe. Not to harm another for their beliefs as long as they are not harming others.
WHY do we even WANT everyone to believe as we do, when purely and simply-we never will believe exactly the same way? That is what Individuality is ABOUT.
Harm and denial of others is wrong. Denouncing another for their way of belief is simply not intelligent. I love hearing of others ways, beliefs, experiences, thoughts, ideas, because whether or not I agree with everything, it helps me GROW and LEARN.
Unity does not mean everyone has to believe in the same way.
Uniting in the Freedom base of our nation as AmeriCans dedicated to People's Rights is what will create Our nation. Unity of the People is Vital in creating a free nation. We have been successfully divided and it has taken us down quite well. LOOK at the ways we are divided with the USE of the People's monies. Let US, the People, work to UNITE, respecting, listening, and caring about another, no matter what our beliefs and religions. Let's not allow the divisions of others to divide US, the People.
It is HARM and DENIAL of others that is the wrong. WRONG.
When we disagree with this government they even try to negate our very minds-as if we can ever truly lose our mind which IS the very essence of us.
Those who finally do disappear in their world because they have been devalued throughout their lives are not ill-they are intelligent-and their brain has at last found a way to escape the negation and denial of the harm that is wrought on them in this life.
Why don't we work at stopping the harm and denial?
That is is the PROBLEM.
My son came to me one day and asked "Why did you and Poppa circumsize me? That was a part of me that was mine. How dare you take a part of my body off without my permission?" At the time, I struggled with it. I saw my son screaming and it hurt, and I wondered-how is that okay? Yet, it was the tradition and that was the reasoning my husband gave me.
Is it the RIGHT tradition? Just because it has been done for centuries, is it truly okay? We question other religions of the world and their practices, but when will we begin to question our own? Do we truly have the right to impose our religious practices that include changing the form of another human to match our religious practices?
I thank my son for all his questions, all my children, and it is through my children and other children I have learned to evolve more and more.
It is through them I learned more and more of the sense of space and place that truly is ours and which we must accord each person. They are created on this earth-to say it is not so-is what?
Creation, Life, Birth, Evolution are all part of the human's Life Cycle on this earth. Just as the Earth is not flat, neither are we. When will we take that knowledge of a LIFE CYCLE into account.
Religions share many aspects-why not work and live together sharing rather than fighting and argueing?
That is Unity, that is acknowledging other's Rights.
Abortion-it is a HUMAN SPECIES issue and not just a religious one. Why DENY LIFE and the Truth of Life no matter what religion? Many say, what about abortion in the case of rape? Excuse me, but the CHILD conceived is not the PROBLEM of the Rape-the RAPE is and ALWAYS will be the PROBLEM. A child conceived in a rape is not the problem and should not be excised like they are-that is the denial of a Life that is given as a gift to one who has been greatly wronged.
It is how we are TRAINED to look at issues which then allows us to DENY life. RAPE is the PROBLEM and the CRIME that needs to be addressed and prosecuted.
Think about it.
Methods of birth control exist which is the intelligent way to address the issue of an unplanned pregnancy.
Responsibilities (Duties) and Rights must co-exist together for our nation to be free.
Right now we are denied our Rights to the max, denied our responsibilities, and GIVEN and charged and we pay for responsibilities that do not belong to us.
How many fathers have had their license taken away because they fall behind in child care payments? What GOOD does it do to deny them the ABILITY of even working to keep up with that responsibility? WHAT does a license have to do with the charge of not paying child support? Justice is to have punishment to fit the crime. Justice does not DENY one's responsibility and then give it to another.
I will tell you what it does to have laws such as these. It helps and empowers the SYSTEM. In this state of Washington-if one drives to work anyhow because they want to stay a responsible adult, then they can get pulled over, thrown in jail for a suspended license, pay a fine, lose their job thereby making paying child support and the fines difficult because they lose their jobs, and then the bill keeps going higher and higher, the ability to do what is right is DENIED, they get put in jail again and again... The state itself (with your monies)pays the counties for the jailing of every single body in jail, guilty or innocent. The price for every single body in this county jail is $150.00 plus. HMMMMmmm. Think how may innocent People are put in jail every day and pay for the food, clothing, vacations, houses, fun and games of our Government servants.
You see, the counties makemore money having you in jail than if you are working so this system has made it more profitable to have you in jail than for you to work.
THAT is SLAvery and using the PEOPLE as a cash commodity without regard to RIGHT or Wrong. Probation does the same thing. Justice has an end, but the way the present system exists, the Unjust system can keep People paying for their crimes til they die-even if the 'crime' they committed is a law that is a crime against the People, someone's PERSONAL RULE that no one has the Right to be imposed on another.
Many have never even had a first chance much less a second chance, yet, they get three strikes without ever being allowed to get up to bat.
Instead of fighting and argueing about beliefs, let us look at all sides and work to stop HARM, DESTRUCTION, DENIAL, NEGATION, and DEHUMANIZATION!!!
THAT is a job every single one of us can do and as an American Citizen-is our JOB to do.
How about we work on Creating our Nation and Evolving into as intelligent species as we can in our lifetime?
THAT makes sense.
One of the first ways we, the People, can create Unity is
to create our own dictionary of our own Language-together. By doing so we learn new words, the actual meaning of words, and we are all a part of the process of getting together on the same PAGE. Many words bandied about are argued about without the true meaning of the word taken into account.
We have the internet-let's create a Dictionary of our own, melding together words from the various areas that differ, adding common ones that have become so by use by People in various areas, and working together to communicate with the same knowledge base. What better way to learn communication between each other throughout the nation than working together to create our own AmeriCan People's Language?
Knowledge IS Power so let us arm ourselves with knowledge instead of arguing about beliefs and concepts.
We have the computer as a tool-let's use it for our benefit.
Let's get together. It is what the People want. Ask them. I have. I listened too. Listening to another,Encouraging, Inspiring, empowering each other~that is the way to the Creation of Our Nation. If one's beliefs aren't harming us, why argue? Why not simply discuss? Let's look at our own beliefs and evaluate them to make sure we are not harming or denying another.
It is our JOB to step in when we see harm being done to another no matter what the reason. Harm of People must be stopped. We, the People, are being harmed everyday by our government entities.
That is not acceptable and we must change it if we are to survive.
We know that. We have watched the destruction of our Nation.
How long will we sit back and talk about them? They would prefer we just talked and did nothing. The longer we do just that, the more power they gain over us. The more People they take down.
And they are taking Innocent People down every day.
Even you, for how much of your taxes goes to harming others, is used to print lies, ways to divide, even many languages of costly expense when anyone with intelligence knows that any country must have a UNITING COMMON LANGUAGE so they can speak to each other on the same page?
Do you want all your monies going to purposes totally contrary to what Your Nation is founded upon?
We can argue about Evolution and Creation until doomsday. WHY?
What purpose does it serve?
We can talk about this present governing entity and the wrongs they do until doomsday.
Will all the talking make it change? Has it?
A new Form of government is simply creating new mechanics of Government using the Base of our Nation-starting from our very first-The Declaration of Independence. The first and most Vital one. Independence means self-governed. That means-first-the self-the Individual-
it is by strong individuals that we will become a strong nation. That means We, the People, have a job to do amongst ourselves-and first, with ourselves. Creating the Base and new mechanics will help us Evolve into a Free nation the more we look, listen, show, share, compare, discuss, and PROTECT each other's Rights.
How many ways can each of us change what is in this world? Every one of us DOES effect change because we exist in this world amongst others. It is time we CHOSE what effect we will make rather than going along with tradition.
There are healthy traditions and traditions which harm and deny.
The knowledge of the Right and Healthy ways to create a Nation exist.
Let's look for them and shovel out the ones which we know do not.
Let no one deny your mind-especially your own self.
Use it, stretch it, dare to look and think about all sides of life.
Dare to LISTEN without judgement.
Dare to stand up against harm.
Dare to use your mind beyond what you have been told you have to or that you have.
Dare to seek your knowledge of your own mind, life and the heights to which you can attain.
Dare to stand up against harm to others.
Dare to stand up for others right to their beliefs and speak their beliefs.
Dare to stand up for your own in a way that brings no harm.
None of us knows it all. Once we accept that fact, maybe we can learn to listen to each other.
The old age practice of passing the stone to allow each their turn to talk is a good way to re-learn some healthy ways of living.
Let's gather the WISDOM of the ages and bring it together.
It is through wisdom which we can and will grow.
Maybe it is time we started revering and honoring our elders again. It has become America's tradition to shove our elders out of the way-put them in a home. There are better ways-and throwing out our unborn, our children, our elderly, our disabled is clearly not the Right answer. Other nations look down on us for our uncivilized ways.
And well they should.
So should we. It is time to change them.
It is time we, the People, became viable, honorable Citizens with Rights and Responsibilities and create a government that is CONGRUENT with our base. Then our nation can evolve into what it was meant to be-a Nation that stands for Freedom, Justice, Equality, Rights and Responsibilities and continuously STRIVES for those ideals.
This present government and its servants ARE traitors to all this Nation Stands for.
It IS as simple as that.
How long will we think we talk about them and use up all our time and energy on something that has no reason to change?
No matter what we say-has it changed for the better? If so, tell me where. I do not see it.

Life isn't fair. In our Nation, it is our Job to make it as fair as we possibly can.

Love ya all!!!

Dance!

Long Live the United People of America!!!

quite the writer!

Ken Driessen
at_lib@hotmail.com

Wow Dance, you really can get your view out there. I like how you try and get the creationists and evolutionists together. I sometimes worry about how me just wanting to express my views as a spritual evolutionist may cause friction in a FREE COUNTRY. Although I don't judge religious people and many of my friends are very religious it is still sometimes hard for them accepting me saying things like: why is is a God and not a Godess? Nature existed before the Bible was written so did man invent God? Then with this God that lets all the people I love die any way, I think it teaches the masses to bow down to a higher power which is the rich and powerful ones like bush smirk. Also I think having one supreme ruler spirit dude up in heaven somewhere may take away from the love we could be giving to each other. Littel things like this also keep us from loving nature. I think it is realy anal of us to create a God that resembles us. On the other hand it is tradition and I don't want to be hurtful and hateful of people I love who follow tradition. One more opinion, Dance my love: I believe that a woman who is rapped certainly has the right to an abortion if she so chooses. I had sex with a gal about 30 years ago and she got pregnant, I wanted the child but she did'nt I have no children and I'm 50. although I felt a bit hurt with her choice, I would still give her the same choice. When I was young and in the Catholic Church women used to have to were a hat with some sort of fishnety over there face. This is because Paul (saul) says in the Bible that women can only see God through the eyes of their men. If you can watch a youtube flick of mine it begins to explain my personal awakening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfBqHlZ_AQ .

Peace Love and Happiness

Ken Driessen

Thanks, Ken

The knowledge of god I have come to know came from those People who Showed their loving hearts and beings towards me.
Any religion, any person, who works to live in the higher human realms of their mind is an inspiration for whatever god it is they profess to believe in. I have met many atheists who have a loving spirit and who may not profess god yet they show god by their actions...
One thing I want to make clear in my response-I have many friends who have had abortions and I have felt their tears as I have held them for the agony they felt. I speak not just me, I speak the heart of all those who have touched with the agony
of their choices. Not always choices they would have made if they had not been told they had a right to.
The sanctity of Life is Essential. It is the WRONGS and CRIMES that must be addressed. Why, for so many years did women have to live in shame because they had a child out of wedlock?
I bring up issues, not to cause or harm or hurt anyone. I bring up issues because these are the issues I have heard from so many. Pain and agony from so many. The bottom line is-no matter what religion or non-religion, can we as HUman Beings learn to honor and sanctify life, and each other with the highest realms as we can possibly attain as a human?
I believe in US, In my species.
I believe in Our intelligence to get out of the mess we are in.
What it will take is strong stances, strong honor and sanctity first of all to LIFE itself.
Without Life there is NOTHING.
Life must be honored so it is not destroyed. It comes through seeking knowledge-intelligence
and above all
a loving spirit.
It is hard to love our enemy, no matter who said it. Yet it can be done. It does not mean we have to love or accept an enemies harm or behaviors. It means we shouldn't copy them. The knowledge of choice of one's very OWN life is not given or taught. Perhaps when that knowledge is again known-for we do know it from our beginning, then we who serve as lifebearers will not have our own knowledge denied.
Nature's God is who this nation espoused.
Nature's God whose waves crash contstantly across the beach line.
Nature's God who holds the beautiful colors of the rainbow in the sky.
The more we adhere to Nature and honor our Earth, no matter what religion of belief we have,
the closer we will come to saving our Universe.
If we are the image of God, then we can also create.
In life,
there is much to look at
and listen to.
It is not all voices.
The answer they said
was blowing in the wind.
So I stood in the wind and listened.
The answer is now.
It is time for our People to be free.
It is time that we have Justice and Equality,
Rights and Responsibility.
It is time harm stopped for so many
and it is time women weren't given or forced to such a terrible loss
as those who have lost their children
because no matter what,
every woman I have ever known and had an abortion
did not talk of a fetus.
They talked of a child.
They talked of their agony.
They wept in pain.
I want the hurting to stop.
I want my People not to weep in pain, hunger, cold.
I want them to no longer be chained
for they are
every day
because this present government
is destroying the People
and all this Nation stands for.
We have watched it happen.
It is time for it to stop.
I thank you
and every one of you
who is trying in whatever way they can
to bring about a better world.
We can make one.
We can join hands.
We do not have to agree to everything each other says.
We can fight to our death to make sure we are not denied our Right to do so.
One of our long ago patriots said something like 'I don't agree with you but I will fight to my death your right to say it.
I do not remember which one.
I agree.
I fight for all
and I fight for me.
That is the balance-when we do it for ourself because we have a right to the life we are given,
and we fight for all life which is.
Even unto death-for we are to return to our mother,
yet,
we are even denied that
by steele lined caskets...
Every Bible or Torah or Book of any kind has been written by human hands. I sift and think and ponder-does it match what feels like a loving god, whatever the name? and why not gods and goddesses?
I searched for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
When I learned to look through life through the colors of the Rainbow by learning my loving heart,
then I learned what the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is.
Freedom
to be all I am,
especially
the freedom to choose and show
my loving self.
Every day I awake, I look at a sign that says
Live Life with a loving heart.
It has helped me,
for this is what we, essentially Good People are-
we make mistakes,
we fall down,
we help each other up,
we try again
tomorrow
we try again.
Every day we may fall down,
we get up
and try again to do the best we can
it is a new day.
It is time for a New Dawn.
the Dawn of Creation.
I know we can do it,
because Ken, you just showed that loving spirit to me again.
It is why
I know we can.
:)
Love ya!
dance!

Dance! for the United States of America!