Ron Paul ~ Know The Whole Truth

Ron Paul Will Not Save America! Get this simple and obvious fact through your heads! Anyone, anyone, anyone associated with, affiliated with, connected to the current establishment known as the United States of America is for the establishment! Insanity is repeating the past expecting the future to be different. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote to continue the insanity that now represents the American Dream, Land of Greed & Home of the Depraved!

The Truth About Ron Paul
By Liz Delong
Let's get something straight everyone, Ron Paul is part of the
establishment. He is not anti-establishment in any way that will
support the people. He will not suffer the fate of those who do
challenge the establishment because he is a mere decoy for the
liberals and the people who feel the unrest rising in the back of
their throats. He is a pacifier, sent out to distract and pacify the
public. He is supposed to be the hope that we so desperately are in
search of that we have neglected, once again, to investigate anyone
who we throw our support behind.

After being duped by the Democrats from John Kerry to the 110th
Congress, I will do whatever it takes to ensure that I will NOT be
made a fool of again. The Democrats who were elected to the majority
in both houses of our congress were the last of that foolishness.
They made promises to impeach the criminals in the White House to
bringing our troops home and have failed miserably on both and have
managed the lamest excuses yet, for their failures. Ron Paul is not
much different then the complacent Democrats or the old school
republicans. Watch what they do and not what they say.

Let's talk about what Ron Paul does and not what the guy says. All
politicians lie and it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Rather then believing a liar or taking a politician at his word how
about taking a look at his record for once. Oh yeah, there are those
votes that the Ron Paul fans cite again and again as if they mean
something. We all know that the lack of accountability up there on
criminal hill is full vested in the recorded votes for the
individuals just as it is for the failures and empty promises of
either party.

With all the decorations and attachments to proposed legislation
meant to entice more support for the bill so it will become law, one
could essentially be voting to stop funding for the Iraq War but at
the same time, sending more troops over in a surge. One could be
voting against a war and voting for more office space for the
Congressional members at the same time. The attachments on the bills
don't even have to be relevant to the bill, itself. It's a great way
to avoid accountability and along with non-recorded votes, there is
no meaning or true sense of what a politicians stands for by looking
solely at his voting record.

The best way to get a sense about one's ideas and intentions in the
political realm is by looking at the bills they introduce/sponsor.
Look at them in their original form as introduced and before the
committee marks them up. Look at them before the wording is changed
to better serve the political farce called public service that the
liars on criminal hill masquerade for all of us people they pillage
and rape and kill and lie to. For in this organic form, one sees
exactly what the politician intends or how one feels about issues.

Well, Ron Paul is no different then the rest of the lyin', rotten,
murderous, cheatin', dirty, rotten rat bastards. He is contradictory
in every sense of the word and while he may have voted against the
war, it was only because he believes that congress should declare
war and not the president. Even still, his main offense with the
continued war is not the blood and the guts of over a million
innocent people, splattered all over the bomb ridden streets in
Iraq - it's the goddamned cost of it all. His claims of being anti-
war are false. Voting against something does not make one anti-
anything. He takes no active role in bringing the troops home or
ending the war in Iraq. What has Ron Paul done over the last three
Congress's (108th, 109th and 110th) that is indicative of his anti-
war stand - in terms of legislation that he has introduced and
sponsored. NOTHING, that is what he has done.

Please note that Ron Paul sponsors more legislation then most
members of Congress and averages 67 per Congress except in the 110th
Congress - he sponsored approximately 65 just the first session. I
researched the Ron Paul legislation as it was introduced and as he
sponsored it - in it's organic form and this is what I have found.

1) HR 2511 - this piece of legislation postpones the closure of
bases that were scheduled to close due to previous legislation (that
he didn't introduce) until the Secretary of Defense and Homeland
Security deem it so. Obviously, he thinks both the Secretary of
Defense and Homeland Security have things they need to do before
this previously sponsored and passed legislation by one of his
colleagues can actually be forced. Postponing the closure of bases
overseas or here at home is not anti-war.

2) HR 3216 - this one is nothing but a bunch of business for
blackwater and the description of it is as follows:

The President of the United States is authorized and requested to
commission, under officially issued letters of marque and reprisal,
so many of privately armed and equipped persons and entities as, in
his judgment, the service may require, with suitable instructions to
the leaders thereof, to employ all means reasonably necessary to
seize outside the geographic boundaries of the United States and its
territories the person and property of Osama bin Laden, of any al
Qaeda co-conspirator, and of any conspirator with Osama bin Laden
and al Qaeda who are responsible for the air piratical aggressions
and depredations perpetrated upon the United States of America on
September 11, 2001, and for any planned future air piratical
aggressions and depredations or other acts of war upon the United
States of America and her people.

This also indicates that Ron Paul thinks that boogie man Osama is
still alive and at large and a danger to our country - rather than
the real terrorists in the white house.

3) H.R.2605 - I will just copy the text of the bill so you can all
read for yourselves: Title: To establish a sunset for the
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of
2002 (Public Law 107-243).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Sunset of Public Law 107-243 Act of
2007'.

SEC. 2. SUNSET OF PUBLIC LAW 107-243.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution
of 2002 (Public Law 107-243) is amended by adding at the end the
following new section:

SEC. 5. SUNSET.

`This joint resolution shall cease to be effective beginning 180
days after the date of the enactment of the Sunset of Public Law 107-
243 Act of 2007.'

This all sounds like it is a good anti-war sort of bill, now doesn't
it? Well until he adds this next section which makes the first part
obsolete.

SEC. 3. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION. Nothing in the amendment made by
section 2 of this Act shall be construed to prevent or prohibit
Congress in the 180-day period beginning on the date of the
enactment of this Act from--

(1) reauthorizing Public Law 107-243, with or without amendment, as
appropriate; and
(2) passing a new authorization for the use of military force
against Iraq or a declaration of war against Iraq, as appropriate.

Now to be fair there are two more bills that seem anti war in their
organic form except for one small detail. Let me tell you about them
and see if you can figure out why they aren't anti-war, really.

4) H. CON. RES. 46

Expressing the sense of Congress that all United States Armed Forces
should be withdrawn from South Korea and the United States should
end its defense guarantee of South Korea.

5)H.CON.RES.255 : Expressing the sense of the Congress that the
United States military should not become involved in the Liberian
civil war, either alone or as part of a United Nations peacekeeping
force.

They sound great, eh? They sure do, all except for the part where
they are house concurrent resolutions as is indicated by the H.Con.
Res preceeding the number. The problem with this sort of legislation
is it does not have the force of law behind it and is basically used
to express an opinion of congress. Ron Paul, out of all the
legislation he introduces rarely introduces these types of bills -
but when it comes to anti-war legislation - he likes the kind that
doesn't have the force of law behind it.

Ron Paul is just about as lame as the democrats with their excuses -
did you guys hear about those newsletters "The Ron Paul Newsletters"
which were filled with remarks only a bigot would make and racial
slurs? Well did you get to see his response to those bigot
accusations?

Check it out:

Artilcle 195053

For those of you who don't know what is going on. Ron Paul had a
newsletter called the Ron Paul Newsletter which circulated back in
his district. The Newsletter printed and circulated many statements
which were without a doubt bigotted, racist in nature and Ron Paul
claims he didn't write them. There was no signature to the writings
on some of the things written in that newsletter - and apparently
people assumed that Ron Paul wrote them since his name was plastered
over the front page and all. However, Ron Paul denies that he wrote
them. He also claims that the only reason all these things are
coming up now, ten years after the fact, is because of the political
witch hunt. The only problem with that is, it still doesn't address
the question of whether he is a racist - now or then.

Ron Paul claims that he doesn't know who wrote them. It was ten
years ago. He claims that not all publishers know who wrote what
only the editor does and the editor is responsible for the day to
day activities and writings. He claims though, that there were
changes made and people coming and going and he doesn't know who
wrote them. He also claims that back when these newsletters were
printed and came out - that the people in his district believed him
when he said he didn't write them. He neglected to mention though,
that if he was offended by such things printed in his name, why he
didn't find out then, before all the time had passed and the changes
made, who wrote them in his name.

Needless to say, his defense of his bigoted newsletter is lame. He
is either irresponsible or not interested in the things that happen
in his name or with his signature. Then there is the possibility
that he did write them or that he simply was not offended by the
racist comments that appeared in his newsletter which would explain
why he never did anything to refute the claims or sue the person who
claimed they were his words - by not claiming their own words.
Whatever, there is nothing that appears to stand well in his defense
of not being a bigot.

Ron Paul claims he is not a racist. He claims that this can be noted
as truth because he is against the war on drugs. He says that only
14 percent of the blacks in this country commit crimes related to
drugs. He also notes that 67 percent of the blacks are in prisons
and comments on how unfair our criminal/justice system is toward
minorities and blacks in this country. He also takes credit for
having the most support from the black communities then any other
candidate. He says his anti-war stand is also anti-racist since
blacks and minorities are the ones that suffer the most in such
wars.

I took a look at Ron Paul's introduced and sponsored legislation
over the last 5 or 6 years and looked for anything that might
indicate that Ron Paul is against racism and not the racist that
such racial slurs in his newsletter indicates that he is and this is
what I found.

H.J. Res 46:

Proposing to amend the constitution of the United States. This
amendment would deny citizenship to any persons born in the United
States whose parents were not citizens themselves.

H.R 1405: This would disqualify people from receiving federal funds
if they were convicted in any crime, local, state or federal. Here
is a piece of the text:

SEC. 2. DISQUALIFICATION FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any recipient of Federal
funds shall be disqualified for Federal funding of any type if, at a
time when the recipient is receiving Federal funds for any of the
recipient's activities, the recipient is found by any Federal agency
or Federal or State court to have--

(1) made a false statement on an application for Federal funds;
(2) violated any Federal law or regulation or State or local law
punishable by imprisonment for at least 6 months or a fine of at
least $5,000; and
(3) aided or abetted the violation of any law or regulation
described in paragraph (2).

EXCUSE ME FOR NOTING - Government assistance would mean military
assistance for returning soldiers or injured soldiers - which he
notes that minorities make up much of the military and suffer the
most from wars overseas. Since many soldiers return to a life of
crime if they return at all due to the insufficient way our
government provides for their return to civil life - I would say
that this is exactly the opposite of what he claims. This would also
affect any medical or living assistance provided to minorities and
blacks such as welfare, food stamps, housing supplements, child care
etc. which many blacks and minorities rely on to live because our
society doesn't give them the same opportunities as whites - they
are repressed, denied housing and denied jobs which would allow them
to make livable wages and safe homes to raise a family. He, himself
notes how unfairly the judicial system treats the minorities and
blacks - and many blacks are in prison for crimes they didn't
commit. There are tons of statistics which prove this fact. So you
figure it out...the guy is a fucking liar!

And here is another bill he sponsored and introduced:

H.R.3071 :

To prohibit the provision of Federal funds to the housing-related
government-sponsored enterprises and to remove certain competitive
advantages granted under law to such enterprises.

This would eliminate housing projects and funds for minorities to
assist them in purchasing houses etc.

And this bill here is another one he sponsored and introduced just
last year:

H.R.3217

Title: To limit the issuance of student and diversity immigrant
visas to aliens who are nationals of Saudi Arabia, countries that
support terrorism, or countries not cooperating fully with United
States antiterrorism efforts.

This is not a man who recognizes racism as a problem - and in fact
legislates with racism to further oppress the already oppressed and
suffering.

Please note that Ron Paul has been offered money by the White
Supremacy special interest group and although he denied the
contribution (no one is claiming that he is stupid - they are
claiming that he is a racist) one still has to wonder what potential
a special interest group like that saw in a man like Ron Paul...but
I bet we can easily discern what that might be.

Also note that Ron Paul states in this piece

Article 19028

"As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: 'I
rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks
who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust
laws and oppressive governmental policies.'"

From what I understand - Ron Paul was the only dissenting vote in
Congress when Congress voted to award the Congressional Gold Medal
to Rosa Parks. To be fair about this, he voted against most
congressional gold medals because he thought that it was
unconstitutional to make the tax payers pay for Congressional Gold
medals but Ron Paul had a habit of donating 100 toward any gold
medalist that he believed deserved a gold medal - as long as the tax
payers didn't have to pay for it and Rosa Parks was not one of those
for which he offered his own money.

I also thought it was interesting that White Pride Nationalist sites
sponsor and support Ron Paul for President and they have
advertisements on their sites which are approved by Ron Paul but not
ones you would usually see on just any old site. Check it out.

Storm Front Forum scroll to the bottom and see the thread "What Ron
Paul must do to win" and also check out his advertisement in that
forum/site.

So racism, is not a lesser of any evil - it is one of the truest
forms of evil and it looks like Ron Paul may be a true racist -
without a doubt. At least in my eyes.

He also claims that he is against the war on drugs, you know,
because the blacks in this country suffer from all these ridiculous
drug crimes. I found one thing he legislated in the past three
congresses and here it is:

H.R. 1009 -

Whooopie - he wants to redefine marijuana so it doesn't
include "industrial hemp" - That is HARDLY a war on drugs since hemp
doesn't even get you high! Thank God I didn't hang out with him in
highschool! it would have been NO FUN!

Ron Paul claims that he is about the individuals constitutional
rights - except that he forgets to mention it is those individuals
that work as CEO's in corporations - like for instance, I am certain
that Ken Lay would have voted for him had he heard about this piece
of legislation that Ron Paul introduced.

H.R.1657 :

To ensure financial regulations do not harm economic
competitiveness, nor deprive Americans of due process of law, by
repealing provisions of Federal law that hold corporate chief
executive officers criminally liable for the content and quality of
their companies' financial report, even when the chief executive
officers had no intention to engage in criminal behavior, and had
taken all reasonable steps to assure the accuracy of the statement.

I could go on and on - how he thinks that people shouldn't be able
to sue corporations for false advertising or pharmaceutical
companies for claiming that their product does something that it
doesn't do. He also thinks it is okay for your doctor to bargain
with your health care insurer (those that pay his bill). Obviously,
this will adversely affect your care - which may be why it is
supposed to be illegal currently - but Ron Paul claims that this
will provide for more quality care and better health service. And
this is coming from a medical doctor. A real fucking healer, eh?
After this legislation, I would assume that he won't have many
patients left.

We all should know by now that Ron Paul is anti-choice (pro-life as
they call it). He believes that life begins at conception and not
only does he think the government should stay out of your life and
parks and not interfere with legislating for the environment but he
does make an exception to government interference but only when it
comes to YOUR UTERUS!

H.R.1545 :

To prohibit Federal officials from paying any Federal funds to any
individual or entity that performs partial-birth abortions.

So any doctor which choses to save a woman's life - which is the
only time late term abortions are performed by the way - otherwise
they are illegal - is if the mother's life is in danger due to the
pregnancy - they get punished for being a life saver.

And following this piece of legislation he introduces the following:

H.R.1546 :

To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have
jurisdiction to hear abortion-related cases.

Now he wants it to be illegal for any court to declare that you have
a right to life (liberty and the pursuit of happiness) and to
adjudicate such where late term abortion (a life saving procedure
ONLY) is concerned.

Healer - Dr. Ron Paul - the man with a plan - to populate the world
with unwanted children and kill the mothers who are pregnant rather
than the unborn fetus whose continued growth will kill the mother
because you know, he is all about ridding such funding for
orphanages and welfare or support for single disabled moms. He is a
real stern god fearing man which can be noted in his legislation The
bill is...

H. R. 1547

To restore first amendment protections of religion and religious
speech.

Ron Paul thinks that the separation of church and state is
unconstitutional and deprives the religious folks of their right to
freedom of religion and free speech. He thinks that by making it
illegal to practice prayer in schools or bring up God and ideology
in government rulings and legislation that you are in effect denying
that government official, teacher, school board or whatever their
right to practice their freedom of religion and their right to free
speech. He believes that religion should be intertwined with
government whenever a government official wishes to do so - and
schools should be allowed to force prayer whenever a school wishes
to do so...I mean can you imagine? This guy is no threat to the
current establishment, HE IS ONE OF THEM!

Fuck education and our constitutional rights to have a basic
education. He thinks that should be left up to the states and the
federal government should have no jurisdiction nor obligation
thereof. While I believe they should stay the hell out of the books
and the lesson plans - and leave that up to the parents whose kids
educate at that particular school - I also think that the federal
government is obligated to ensure the states fulfill their duty to
educate the children within the state. Not Ron Paul - he says leave
it up to the states entirely and we have all seen how well they
manage that on their own.

Ayn Rand and Ron Paul view the environment and the earth virtually
the same. Both view it as a resource and Ron Paul thinks that the
environment is not important enough in comparison to the free market
and therefore there should be no environmental laws imposed on those
poor oppressed corporations. In fact, there is a lot of
commonalities between Ayn Rand and Ron Paul. He thinks we should
privatize the parks and his answer to the high oil prices aren't to
regulate the energy companies but to allow drilling in ANWR - fuck
the people and the fact that the majority have already said NO
DRILLING IN ANWR how many times already? Ron Paul likes to spew the
support he gets from the military like even more than McCain gets -
well ain't that something - whoopie - In fact, if this is true then
perhaps the military personnel might be interested in this piece of
legislation introduced and sponsored by Ron Paul.

H. R. 1404

"To direct the Secretary of Defense to present a ribbon of
appropriate design to all persons who, while a member of the Armed
Forces serving on active duty, were exposed to ionizing radiation as
a result of participation in a test of atomic weapons."

Ron Paul thinks that those guinea pigs (involuntary, I am sure)
should get cancer AND a ribbon for their unknown sacrifice. What a
guy, eh?

Just another twisted sick fuck running for President, people.
Nothing to get all fucking heated over - nothing to go on and on
about all over public forums and slip in Ron Paul campaign slogans
every fucking chance you get. No real reason to have a revolution -
especially in his name...there are plenty of REAL revolutions to
have over GOOD reasons and WORTHY purposes - and trust me when I
tell you, RON PAUL IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

I'm not going to go on and on quoting all this legislation - in it's
original Ron Paul form which proves me right and all you Ron Paul
fans a sandwich short of a picnic...I'm just going to suggest that
you not take my word for it. Instead why don't you go to the
congressional record and investigate yourselves for fucking once.
HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE BE MADE FOOLS OF? HOW MANY MORE PROMISES TO
STOP THE WARS MUST WE SIT AROUND WAITING TO BE FULFILLED FOR MONTHS
WHILE THE BLOOD POURS OF THE INNOCENT? HOW MANY MORE ASSHOLE
POLITICIANS ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT BEFORE YOU GET IT THREW YOUR
THICK FUCKING HEADS THAT THEY AREN"T ON OUR SIDE! THEY DON"T FUCKING
WORK FOR US! THE SYSTEM DOESN"T WORK! AND NO ONE DWELLING WITHIN THE
CESSPOOL OF THE US GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO FIX ANYTHING AT
ALL FOR US! THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN SIDE! IT"S US AGAINST THEM - and
OFF WITH THEIR FUCKING HEADS! Don't send them your fucking money and
make all this effort like they are something that they are not. WAKE
THE FUCK UP! Ron Paul is just another scum sucking, lyin', pig,
capitalist with blood on his hands and dollar signs in his eyes and
a complete indifference to the suffering that they have planned for
us and that they have already created for people all over the world.
Seriously people - use your fucking heads and do some fucking work
before you throw your support behind ANYONE! HAVEN"T YOU LEARNED
YOUR LESSON ALREADY! SHEEEEEEEEEEESH!
(c) 2008 Liz DeLong
http://www.issuesandalibis.org/

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Dar
Awaken Me!
Co-creator/co-owner/manager/moderator



Re: Ron Paul

A pretty grim and hopeless picture has been presented here. I think if we are going to present the problems and fail to present possible solutions that is no better than what the democrats who promised to stop the war are doing . I honestly wish Dennis Kucinich were still in the race though his words were backed by his record and he had compassion!



A NEW HORIZON.


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Eh Colinberry! I just

Eh Colinberry! I just subbed to you not long ago. Welcome to FSTV!



Remy92

Hi Remy92,

"I...really care for the misleadings, and lies though...we'd be better off if these types of articles would be based on...some political vendetta."

That quote might seem like it is missing something but I assure you it is only an illusion for in the interest of brevity and in order to keep from wasting valuable encrypted binary numbers I merely left out the important parts in order to stimulate a good discussion.

However, in the interests of your higher spiritual endeavors, Remy, which I totally agree with you on are the only ones I am concerned with in the end as well...I give you this quote complete with the unimportant parts left in to baffle the water heads.

"Life and death are both illusions whose only purpose is to maintain the externality of relations and the realization of this is ENLIGHTENMENT." Or some such poppycock which I have totally bastardized yet somehow I think, or at least hope, have managed to still keep some of its essence and which is what another of my now dead gurus by the name of Art Kleps wrote somewhere in his prophetic work by the name of "The Boo Hoo Bible".

I'll be honest with you I really don't understand that "externality of relations" shit either but near as I could grasp it to mean it is what the "Self" tries to maintain to give reality to this dream. According to Kleps, and at least one friend of mine who claimed to have equally figured it out in High School, is that ultimately only the Self exists or can be proved to exist. And that is what is meant by the philosophy of "solipsisim" as opposed to those asshole sophists.

And for any of you others who are wasting your time reading this, or any of my other posts, Kleps also asked, "Can one truly attain liberation if they have a really heavy karma such as being a very beautiful woman or a very rich man?" As good a question as any I suppose since, and I do believe this to be true, money...as is external beauty really are illusions...course I am still over drawn at the bank despite the fact that if I have to have an illusion I would prefer for it to be in the black as opposed to in the red.

Though I did deliberately on purpose bounce the check to Wal-mart so when I go to court to answer the call of why I haven't made good on it yet I do intend to say Wal-mart is a cock sucking thief slut who sold me stolen goods and violates in the most obscene way, at least, U.S. laws by doing business with people who use child labor.

Fuck em, what are they going to do put me in jail so I can go there to start a riot? Figure I'll call the lawyer for Wal-mart a money whore in court and a few other things to the judge if need be. Hey, what the hell ya know? What ever gets you through the nite, and what ever you can get away with in the spirit of common decency, common sense, good humor and vehement outrage...will at least give you a good story to tell later...on your appeals.

Is it all preordained? Fuck if I know, bro...though Ram Dass said(in that fucking book "Be Here Now" that I got addicted to wondering where the fuck else you could ever be if not here and now?) not to worry it is all on auto-pilot. Kleps on the other hand said...and this is important, "The problem of human suffering is a problem, if and only if, the externality of relations is denied and the world improves at the very instant that the self improves." In other words, man, political power and third chakra really is a piss of a long ways down the toilet from fourth chakra and above where there ain't no fucking illusions about the quest for ultimate reality.

More to come but in the meantime lets all get together and have a conference in hell planing to storm once and forever heaven's gates. Because even if Jesus never existed nor does any All Compassionate and Merciful God...I know that is what they would both want us to do.

xox >0<, dude!

PS.
One of the other proofs he had that there is a lot more going on than all the assholes in the world know about...was his claim that the passage of time itself is an illusion...which at the height of a true psychedelic experience everyone knows to be true...and which only goes to make you really wonder on just how sound a footing in reality...are all those interest rates those blood sucking bankers charge?(wink)

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"We are forces of Chaos and Anarchy! In order to survive we steal, cheat, forge, fuck, hide and deal!"...Superior Goddess Grace Slick



You've really studied Abbie

You've really studied Abbie Hoffman haven't you? It's uncanny how much reading what you say reminds me of reading what he said. You ought to write a book.



Love you too, man...

and thanks for the letter in gmail. I loved it as I always do your poems of the heart. As for the book you suggest...I swear to you my mind is a veritable Library of Alexandria's forever burned texts...and full of the memories of destroyed drawings, art work never allowed to be given form to by physical restraints, music written and then viewed for destruction by hatred as being too dangerous to ever be remembered by love...and stories(even in this age) lost to the ethers for lack of pen and paper to write them down with and at least a couple of books almost fully done, and better than most that I have read...lost on the streets of NY city...and those were only the losses to the world...during my homeless age.

After all, the authors of the NY Times best sellers list do not really want any competition for readers from those the world prides itself on doing everything it can to suppress the rivals of the accepted authors who have no anger management issues, nor for the most part, are they cursed with the disease and madness of poets. And that is not even to mention among so many others of the famous and recognized, like the Olympic gold medalists...who do not want any fair competition either on the field of life from their childhood peers who have been safely locked away into utter obscurity by poverty and chained for their entire lives, like some Prometheus, for their crime of being able to give us far more divine gifts with their capacity to break the best of records that the world has to offer and that the same world does everything with in its power to refuse from receiving their great contributions...by refusing to deserve them...by generally favoring the lessor gifts and highest crimes, for just one example, from those such as the recognized Noble Peace prize winners types...like a Henry Kissinger.

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nIhILiST, sometime solipsist, part time poet, full time Artist, force of Chaos & Anarchy, erotic writer to be, prophet unwelcome in my own land, the buddha is a shit stick & if you see it on the road piss on it for it is an impediment to your enlightenmen

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"We are forces of Chaos and Anarchy! In order to survive we steal, cheat, forge, fuck, hide and deal!"...Superior Goddess Grace Slick



Remy92

Hi Remy92,

"I don't really care for the misleadings, and lies though. I think we'd be better off if these types of articles would be based on the truth, and not some political vendetta."

If you are going to call someone a liar - which is quite a heavy accusation - then I suggest you substantiate it - otherwise an unwarranted accusation such as that - it does become and it's rather unbecoming. I am no liar. I may have found myself misinformed at times but I simply stated and cited CONGRESSIONAL RECORDS - And opined why I believed this was inconsistent with the things that Ron Paul Says and what his fans say he is all about. I do this as a service to my fellow country men. i am a freakin sound engineer - I have no political agenda - NONE - politics are nothing but a distraction - bread and circuses my friend - bread and circuses....the more I can make others see that it's not any one savior or miracle worker that is going to save us - the more likely people will see that we are the answer that we have been waiting for. WE are the change that we have been looking for. WE are the ones who can and hopefully will change the world so that we may all live in peace and respectful of each other. We have been leaving the politicians in charge to take care of things for us and look at the shit hole we are in now. Talk about the pit of despair - your in it. Our government, this establishment and this system is so completely corrupt that there is no fixing it by using the system itself - you don't fix a broken tool with itself....AND it's best if we all look and look closely and then WE will recognize that they all drink from the same well up there on criminal hill - ain't nobody gonna be pissin it - pissers are soon to see the boot - and they screen for pissers - if they slip threw the cracks somehow and they can't smear them some other way - or with the media's help - they can will and have killed them in the past. Politics IS the problem. It's a comfortable way for Americans to sit around pretending that they are doing something about the suffering, the killing, the deceit, the lies, the total indifference - without actually sacrificing all that much. Send your checks - wave your flags - talk up your politicians - cast that uncounted vote - that is all very easy - but you need to realize we are neck high in shit and sludge and it ain't gonna be that easy to clean this place up - SACRIFICE - is needed - REAL SACRIFICE - Elections - at this point (and perhaps always since after the electorial college) is a simple distraction - your all sitting around tapping your feet until novemeber hoping Ron Paul will stop the war - 8 - 9 months later - while the blood continues to pour from the lives of innocent iraqis - who never had a fucking choice - we chose to invade their country - even though it was sovereign and even though our invasion was illegal and even though they never had any WMD - Saddam didn't harbor terrorists - Bin Ladin was not there - AND the IRAQIS never ONCE asked for our help - in fact they are and have been asking us to get the fuck out of their country like NOW! The Americans that have been killed are soldiers who volunteered - once they discovered that they were going to kill, torture and detain iraqis, bomb their cities, their churches, steal Saddam's castle and make it an embassy - and where is all that oil going? once they saw what our government's idea of liberation was - and once they understood that we were not welcome with open arms and we are not doing much at all but destroying the oldest city in the world and committing terrible crimes against humanity - then that is when they should put the guns down - refuse to return - speak out - speak up and fear not - the more people who open their mouths (that is including everyone here at home too) the less likely those who bravely step up and do the right, the moral and the good thing - don't suffer as severely or at all - It's all our responsibility - collectively and individually. We pay the price for the crimes our government committs against others - the people making the wars; profiting off of them; voting on them; and declaring them - never suffer the consequences of them....WE DO! Why do we continue to assist them in killing us and others? T The other americans are blackwater mercenaries - hired guns - they get paid to kill and die - they get NO SYMPATHY FROM ME! You live by the sword then you die by the sword. 900/day to be a murderer then take your fucking chances and see no tears from me when you meet your death during your death spree for money. I feel sorry for the troops - those young kids who just wanted to make something of themselves - but I can only sympathize with them for so long - many have woken up and refused to return - spoken out - and have been arrested for doing so - but those that don't are just making the leaders war machine turn round - profitting off the backs of our dead soldiers is what the politicians do - those who advocate for this war - NOT THE IRAQIS - they get nothing but suffering for reasons that have nothing to do with them. That is fucked!

I am one of the good people - I don't like Ron Paul and can't think of any way to be more clear and more documented then I have for my reasons to believe that he too is just one of the other politicians - they ALL stink to high heaven with few exceptions - and I rag on ALL of them - but Ron Paul fans seem to harass - infiltrate - monopolize and appear everywhere and they all are my brothers and sisters and I hated the feeling I got when i realized that the democrats - the ones I believed in and the ones I sent my money to - money I didn't have - money I worked hard to earn - and I hosted rallies and signed petitions, made calls - voted - and they duped me - and millions more - I remember others telling me something I didn't want to hear - and I reacted much the same way as Ron Paul fans react to my truths and my facts - and even my personal opinions which aren't necessarily truths or facts but they are something I am allowed to have - but at LEAST i can document WHY i say the things I say with FACTS and TRUTHS - I call Ron Paul a liar because what he says and what he does are two different things - WHY DO YOU CALL ME A LIAR, Brother? I am on your side - but I AM looking for the truth wherever it leads - others, I find are looking for validation...sometimes the truth sucks the hope right out of us - but it's the only way to find the way - is threw the truth - WE are the answer! together we will survive!

Cheers!

PS I loved the video!



psychology

Imagine a world where we all work together!

It's simple...Tell the children there is a bogeyman, then have someone dress up outside the house pretending to be the bogeyman, and when the children see the bogeyman, they will run into the arms of the nearest parent, good or bad, for protection and reassurance. Read Carlos Castaneda for an example of this. nuff said.

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Imagine a world where we all work together!



For the most part you're

For the most part you're preaching to the choir. I've been saying all the same things for quite a while now, since the entire government duped me, all the while others tell me don't trust them.

So yeah I'll admit that my accusation of lying wasn't completely founded, and I'm not going to defend Ron Paul, because there is no point, he won't be elected and there was never a chance. I see the harrassment all the time, and the vast majority of his supporters are arrogant bastards looking at McCain supporters like "are you mad?". Of course the answer to that question is yes, but at the same point I think we're all mad. But if we cannot change the system from the inside out, then there are (in my opinion) only 2 other options. 1. All out revolution, and 2. Civil disobedience. Uniting these people behind either could very well be impossible, after all most of us love our toys.

But yeah I agree with what you've said here. So I'll just leave it at that.

Take care of yourself

PS: Dylan does rule!



You Are Way Off

Do you understand we have a thing called the constitution. He likes to follow it. Why the deep hate for such a honest principled man. Govt has been the one in the way of all the things like equality and justice in America. Less of it will benefit all of us.
Our sides are very close. I called myself a progressive until lately. The establishment likes that movement, because you guys want to give the government so much power to fix things you see wrong with our society. They can not, and will not. Capitalism can be a terrible thing when business become to close to the govt. He is against all of that. We are not going to change the idea of profit and free markets. I honestly believe Dr. Paul gives us the hope of getting where we want to be. He is running a campaign the founding fathers would be proud of.



Just to pour some gasoline on the fires between DAR and Remy...

I have to admit I relate far more to DAR's vulgar, profane and obscene with passion reasoning of "HAVEN"T YOU LEARNED
YOUR LESSON ALREADY! SHEEEEEEEEEEESH!" than I do of Remy's repeated lack of the sacred words "fuck", "fucker" "motherfucker" "etc" "etc" "etc" that would have been far more appropriate in a post when referring to "politicians" of any kind.

Is this an indication that I remembered to take my Viagra and Midol today in addition to all my other psychotropic drugs and going with out sleep as well for as much as possible...all to have a simple man's dream realized of being able to honestly say when I die...I spent more hours awake and on drugs than anyone else I know? Perhaps...but doesn't this beg the question as well? For the simple truth, as near as I can see it, is that the populace simple has too much time on its hands and if everyone would only buy more 08' election paraphernalia such as buttons, t-shirts, plastic hats etc etc etc the world would truly be a better place. And all those idle hands of children in bondage in places like China, India, South East Asia, America and all the rest of the countries who want their children to escape the child brothels...could save their money by getting part time jobs in the factories that produce such wonders in order to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and one day...buy their way out of the human misery and squalor in which they live.

Furthermore, I also agree with both Dar and Remy's impeccable logic and main thesis statements. After all, it can not be argued with that "all politicians lie", and it's complimentary sylllogy, "that is a lie" are simply one of the primary directives of life...that only the truly observant understand. For truly, every politician lies, even the greatest of them if it happens to be convenient, and every politician tells the truth, even the worst of them...so that you will still believe them...even when they tell you the greatest of lies.

However, I must confess that I only lightly skimmed over the tracts listed as H. R. XXXX due to the fact that I have never had much of a "legal mind" and have always ended up voting for something I was against, which in fact I was for, or vice versa, because no matter how hard I try I simply have never been able to figure out what it is they are talking about. And try as I might, I still can not figure out how I recently got butt fucked so royally by Allstate Insurance when all I did was follow the orders of the secretary in the office who said "just sign here" which apparently authorized them to have such a relationship with my glutus maximus and perform such an operation on it while my back was turned. Thus proving once again...I am simply not paranoid enough.

However, I will still go with the vast majority of life who all boycotts National elections for I neither believe in giving up the kinds of rights they want one to abdicate nor do I honestly have even the remotest hope that any single one of them really wants to alter to the very core what has become, save that of religion as well, the most oppressive of human institutions of all...government itself. For if there are any "Laws" at all worth really adhering to...they do not lend themselves to being written down in any fashion...but rather flow from something which we are all a part of and which is greater than the sum of its parts. After all, was slavery any less immoral when it was codified as "legal"? Is advocating hatred any more unpalatable because suddenly some forms of it have been classified as a crime? And after 9/11 when the congress broke out into a spontaneous chorus of "God Bless America"...was everyone's singing based on some bizzare form of cheer leading...or as I saw it. A forced ritual of madness in which too many were simply terrified of the consequences to them if they were not involved in the meaningless charade. For Jews and Muslims both were brought to their knees to worship as Christians during the Spanish inquisition and given our great freedoms...is it any less frightening that the politicians themselves are limited by their own fears of screaming, "THIS IS ALL MEANINGLESS FUCKING HORSE SHIT! AND WE ALL KNOW IT!"

So be honest with yourselves, can anyone think of any Savior of the world...who could win so mush as a popularity contest when they were growing up? Because I for one could not be more cynical about elections...due to the fact I simply feel in my heart that when it comes time to really make changes to the world...YOU REALLY ARE ALL ALONE WITH NOTHING BUT THE ETERNAL UNIVERSE TO FEEL SMALL AGAINST...WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE MOMENTS!

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"We are forces of Chaos and Anarchy! In order to survive we steal, cheat, forge, fuck, hide and deal!"...Superior Goddess Grace Slick



Have we had any saviors?

Have we had any saviors? Sure some have tried, but usually all you have after even a few decades is some followers and more haters, and most times it's the followers that hate, (Christians, this is you, but not exclusively and certainly not the truly faithful for the truly faithful wouldn't recognize themselves as "Christians" given the meaning of the word today, in the first place, sorry). But anyway I didn't start this reply to take shots at the faithless, no matter how much fun it is, and it is, as we all know.

"However, I will still go with the vast majority of life who all boycotts National elections for I neither believe in giving up the kinds of rights they want one to abdicate nor do I honestly have even the remotest hope that any single one of them really wants to alter to the very core what has become, save that of religion as well, the most oppressive of human institutions of all...government itself. For if there are any "Laws" at all worth really adhering to...they do not lend themselves to being written down in any fashion...but rather flow from something which we are all a part of and which is greater than the sum of its parts. After all, was slavery any less immoral when it was codified as "legal"? Is advocating hatred any more unpalatable because suddenly some forms of it have been classified as a crime? And after 9/11 when the congress broke out into a spontaneous chorus of "God Bless America"...was everyone's singing based on some bizzare form of cheer leading...or as I saw it. A forced ritual of madness in which too many were simply terrified of the consequences to them if they were not involved in the meaningless charade. For Jews and Muslims both were brought to their knees to worship as Christians during the Spanish inquisition and given our great freedoms...is it any less frightening that the politicians themselves are limited by their own fears of screaming, "THIS IS ALL MEANINGLESS FUCKING HORSE SHIT! AND WE ALL KNOW IT!"(")

Extremely well said.

I'm still learning...



Remy I Have Missed You!

I am currently continuing my research on Ron Paul's gov. activities/voting/sponsoring/cosponsoring record at the library of congress, you can get there from here: http://www.house.gov/paul/legis/welcome.htm.
I want to be sure I am exposing myself to all the available information so this may take a few days before I get back to you here.
For me Remy, and the reason I posted this in the first place, is because I feel it is very important, and often overlooked or ignored, that the actual deliberate intent/purpose of ones actions be considered more importantly than the action itself. It is simply not enough for me that an individual gov. representative voted this way or that....the reasons why and the deliberate intentions & purpose with which their vote was cast is of far more importance to me, and it should be to you, because this is the information that provides you with the means to predict what can be expected from that individual in the future.
It just seems terribly ignorant to take only into account the way in which one votes.....and not at all ask WHY they voted the way they did.
As much as I respect you, and your undeniable right to whatever opinion you choose, I think your youth still betrays you my dear friend. Without the benefit of another 10/15/20 years of human existence experience, you lack the insight & understanding, the wisdom of those of us who are now looking back from middle age with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Still you are farther ahead of the curve than I was at your age and and so, as always, there is hope.
I will be back, when I have completed more of my research. I have been caught off guard since I really did not plan on researching any of the candidates since I do not participate in the elections anyway, and so have been devoting my time to expanding my sovereign independence and self sufficiency. However, even as a sovereign independent I still feel an sentient obligation/duty, to my fellow human & American, to provide an uncluttered & reality based reflection. After all, if we do not pass this information & knowledge on to the generations that are following, how can we ever expect them to experience any better a future reality than we have created for ourselves in the present.
Respectfully,
Dar

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Dar
Awaken Me!
Co-creator/co-owner/manager/moderator



Dar!

You make an excellent point about intent. I can't allow myself to think in terms of 10-20 years as by then I'm sure I'll either be long gone, completely insane, or in Gitmo unless things improve now. Now I know there's a good chance that you're absolutely right about Paul, but I'm willing to take the chance on him because maybe it's possible that he is genuine, and even if he's not there's a good chance he's still better than all the rest of the candidates. While everyone else is still talking about Mitt Romney's hair, Ron Paul speaks of the real problems facing this country. Please don't confuse my hope, with naiveness (which is actually a word... Surprised me a bit).

I've missed you too! Since I don't use AIM anymore do you still hold those chats on Sundays? I'm sure we have a lot to discuss.



No....

I'll go as far as time permits with this.

"Let's talk about what Ron Paul does and not what the guy says. All
politicians lie and it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Rather then believing a liar or taking a politician at his word how
about taking a look at his record for once. Oh yeah, there are those
votes that the Ron Paul fans cite again and again as if they mean
something. We all know that the lack of accountability up there on
criminal hill is full vested in the recorded votes for the
individuals just as it is for the failures and empty promises of
either party."

Now, this is very interesting. I sincerely hope Liz gets a strong dose of her own medicine and is judged SOLELY on her associates deeds. To say that all politicians are liars, is a lie. Or rather it's a very ignorant statement. I can only assume Liz has met and studied every single politician in the United States, or better yet, the world. I find myself hardpressed to take this paragraph seriously. Then the statement about looking at his record... Well why say "go look at his record" then turn around and say "....cite again and again as if they mean something."????? Dar don't you see what happened there? Liz completely destroyed any credibility she had. She tries to use his record for her own political benefit, then claims his record means nothing. I get it, it means something to people who don't like Paul, but shouldn't mean something to people who do like him, is that right?

"He is contradictory
in every sense of the word and while he may have voted against the
war, it was only because he believes that congress should declare
war and not the president."

Sounds like a great reason to oppose this war. There's that anti-war protestin' ego I'm always talking about. "My reason for opposing this war is better than yours!!! I'm a better patriot and American!!". Give me a break. This is why this movement will go nowhere... "While he may have voted against the war"??? Great attempt to cause doubt in the truth. He did vote against this war, this is a fact. Should I be expecting Sean Hannity or Bill Oreilly to praise this article at some point? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

"This also indicates that Ron Paul thinks that boogie man Osama is
still alive and at large and a danger to our country - rather than
the real terrorists in the white house."

Many people believe he is still alive. I personally believe he never existed in the first place. However, what if I am wrong? Does Liz ever ask herself that? While I harbor absolutely no proof that he ever existed in the first place, that still doesn't mean I am right about my suspicians. As far as the "real terrorists", well I'm sorry to say that there are terrorists outside the white house. George Dubya Bush doesn't have that particular monopoly. It's sad that the state of mind for many people has de-evolved into this single idea that the only terrorism in the world is perpetrated by our own government and everyone else is just peachy. Liz wants to talk about how blood pours on the streets of Baghdad, well, while a lot of it is the blood of innocent Iraqi's some does belong to Americans too, and Americans aren't killing 130 Americans a day (directly) in Iraq.

"Fuck education and our constitutional rights to have a basic
education. He thinks that should be left up to the states and the
federal government should have no jurisdiction nor obligation
thereof. While I believe they should stay the hell out of the books
and the lesson plans - and leave that up to the parents whose kids
educate at that particular school - I also think that the federal
government is obligated to ensure the states fulfill their duty to
educate the children within the state. Not Ron Paul - he says leave
it up to the states entirely and we have all seen how well they
manage that on their own."

So, Liz wants the federal government to stay out of education, but wants them to ensure that the children are educated... So, then, logically, Liz wants the individual states to govern themselves, but still wants the federal government to have a say in what the states do? Or is she saying she wants uneducated parents to decide lesson plans for their soon to be uneducated children? Personally I've never seen how any state manages education on it's own. Neither has Liz. There has always been a federal footprint in the indoctrination of our youth, and personally I'd love to see that end, and now.

I have to say I love the way this piece of work is ended. All the differences I have with what's stated here but I admire the passion that went into at least the conclusion. I don't really care for the misleadings, and lies though. I think we'd be better off if these types of articles would be based on the truth, and not some political vendetta.

My question is, if Liz doesn't want us to vote for anyone, what's her solution? Also, has she blasted anyone else like this? Given her view that all polticians are liars, shouldn't she blast all of them individually, since she's gone ahead and targetted Ron Paul? I'd hate to see her blast everyone but Obama or Romney...