THE AIRPLANE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON
I'm curious to see some opinions on this video. My only outstanding opinion is the whole "vote" things makes me sick. As if the truth can be voted on. By now I'm sure anyone who cares already knows my opinion on what happened that day, so I'll be nice and quiet regarding this. I have to ask one thing however. Why haven't they released more video of this particular attack? It's kind of fishy I'll admit. Anyway very interesting video with some good points.
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The videos from various locations around the pentagon were confiscated within 5 mins by the FBI. However this animation looks very similar to the work done by more than 60 pilots all who are former military pilots and now current commercial airline pilots. They through the freedom of information act secured the black box data and analyzed it. You can find their site through www.patriotsquestion911.com. This site contains over 120 Senior military, Intelligence service, law enforcement, and government officials. Also found on the site is over 170 professors, over 200 911 survivors and family members, and over 110 entertainment and media professionals.
Ken, you brought up some very interesting points, thanks! This is beyond Bush though as he is only a puppet but make no mistake we are not free from his control. All it takes is any emergency here or abroad natural or manmade and he can suspend whats left of the constitution, congress, and the 2008 elections.
All I can say is watch Loosechange Final Cut as it exposes the deception and the half a$$ 911 commission report which did not address building 7 in addition they said they were not there to find who was to blame and they totally ignored the money wired to Mohammed Atta by the head of the Pakistani ISI.
Bush stated twice he saw the first plane hit that morning however the footage was not shown until later that day.
So to those who believe the official conspiracy I say dig deeper and ask yourself are americans somehow immune to wanting more power at whatever costs.
I have not seen or heard one explanation from this government that makes sense.
Eisenhower warned us of the Military Industrial Complex and we ignored it.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it
is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
powers in such form, as
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Ken Driessen
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Thanks Remy I do like the way you think and what you come up with to defend the theory that 9/11 was not an inside job. Who paid to have some of the same actual footage that the people use to discredit the government conspiracy and mix it in with a bunch of animation about how it could have happened the way the government says? I know from what you have said, you are just seeking the truth just like myself. I wish with all my heart and soul that I could trust the government of my home and birth land. But: 1.)the other night I saw footage of a professional fighter pilot crashing at an air show. He got too close to the ground and the plane could not be controlled and held horizontally and the tail hit the ground so the plane crashed. The momentum of coming out of the sky at that speed would not allow the plane to fly perpendicular to the ground as shown in the animated footage. In order to fly parallel to the gound at that point so close after coming out of the sky, it would have had to take trees and rooftops of houses and buildings off for two miles before it got to the pentagon. 2.)one picture that is not in this documented propaganda is the one with the hole in the inner sections of the building. In my engineer wana be brain, force equals mass times acceleration. The engines, I believe to weigh more and are more dense than passengers, luggage, pilots and the radio equipment in the front part of the fusilage of said passenger plane. The depth and shape of the hole does not agree with the displacement of the weight and force of the said jet liner. Again I really wish that I did not have to believe that the leaders of my homeland are as evil as I think the are. If they are not that evil they would have admitted to their own incompetence and stepped down a long time ago. I'm sorry I am too lazy to spell check right now. Peace Love and Friendship to you Remy. Right or left, not many people take the time to back up what they write here. Many many more just look and don't express themselves in any way. Thank you again, good night.
PL&H
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The video belongs to someone called NWODetox. Where and how it was created or received by him/her I have no clue. After I replied the last time to you I figured I'd look around for photographs of plane wreckage at the Pentagon and this video is one thing I found, admittedly the best one in the short time I had to look. If you follow the URL you'll find the typical youtube 9/11 videos in the related box, being inconclusive junk from that one camera angle, the only one the government released, or obviously photoshopped idiocy.
I have to say I'm not sure what to believe. You make a good case about this administrations evil intent. Also I'm sure I don't know but I've heard that such a plane flying at such a low altitude and at high speed would actually spin off in whatever direction. I've also heard it would shudder violently and simply break apart at the seams. Then I've heard that it could conceivably hit the Pentagon like the government says it did. The one thing that bothers me is the fact that the Pentagon is the most protected building in the world, and not one camera was released other than one that shows practically nothing at all.
I think regardless of whether or not Dubya and his cronies planned these attacks, they have benefitted greatly from the divided and mostly conquered American public, or rather the 25 or 30% that actually care about something other than Britney Spears. There's no issue I'd like to see resolved more than this one. It's easier to convince a racist of his ignorance than either side of the theories of, well, even the ability to be wrong, me included. By not releasing more footage it's almost as if they're trying hard to be sure that we keep this argument going and get nowhere closer to the truth, while swinging our sticks at each other. Of course, so long as we fight each other, and hate each other, our energy is taken away from fighting our government in whatever means we find necessary. It's very clever of them, something that surprises me. I realize of course, that you no doubt know this all too well and I'm preaching to the pastor so to speak. I'm babbling, so I think I'll let it be at that.
I think you and I reached a milestone. We've been talking about this for a little while now and neither one of us has called the other stupid. Extremely rare for a volatile topic like this one. I appreciate that very much and I'm sure our dialogue will remain respectful, just thought I'd point it out. Take care of yourself Ken.
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Ken Driessen
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In the summer of 2001 Bush took the longest vacation of any president. On 9/11 he read the pet goat while the people you love were dying. Samuel Bush profited by selling weapons to our soon to be enemies before and during WWI. Prescott Bush was Hitler's banker and made money building up the 3rd Reich. Sr. Iran-Contra Bush is still making money from the Carlyle Group. These bad spawn anti-Christs could give a damb about your loved ones or the troops. Rebuilding the WTC will cost from 4.5 to 9 billion dollars. How much do you think the neo-cons pocketed of the over 400 billion cost of the Iraq war while they let Bin Laden go free? Did you know these neo-con Nazis gave over 11 billion $ to the President General of Pakistan? Oh what champions of democracy these false profits are! Ya they say a picture is worth a million words Ha! Chicken hawk war profiteers from hell that make all the other antiChrist false profits through human history look like the good guys in comparison to the Bushwhacked snakes from hell. They seem to have dupped you into supporting you own death Remy. I thought you were alright and I put you on my buddy list here on freespeech, did I make a mistake?
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We seem to agree, unless you're trying to tell me that Bush actually perpetrated the attacks. I'm not sure where you're coming from here. Are you saying the only way I can be alright is to agree with you on every issue, topic, etc.? If so then yes you made a mistake. I don't disagree that Bush let it happen, I disagree when people say he planned it. I think you misread me somewhere along the line. I hope it wasn't that post that praised Bush, I was merely poking fun at the sheeple, and making a insignificant point about the future of this Orwellian nightmare. So it seems to me this is a misunderstanding. As for my post about the possible picture, really all I said was I thought I remembered seeing one. After all the things I say and do it's incredibly odd that this one post would cause any problem compared to my others. You'll remain on my list regardless of your decision concerning your own. I hope to clear this up, whatever it is, as soon as possible.
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Ken Driessen
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Ya there Remy. I think it is partly the Sheeple and partly a portion of your comment on this thread. WHile I don't believe Bush alone planned 9/11, it could not have been perpetrated so smothly without inside CIA PNAC type help. The coincidences like practice mission fire drills on the same day, PNAC wanting to be attacked, pet goat, Building number 7, all the suit guys walking around picking up little things on the pentagon lawn, Bin laden let run free, known forgien militants attending flight classes in the US,on and on. Have you checked out Samuel GRGRdaddy Bush WWI weapons profiteering, Grdaddy Prescott Hitler's Angel, Iran-Contra Carlyle Bin Laden family freind GHW Bush? Why historically does this war profiteer, chicken hawk slime run our nation? Why would our own officials plot to attack our won country? Does over 400 billion dollars have anything to do with it? I'm glad you at least agree they let it happen. The only problem is how much money the war profiteeers are making off of percieved ignorance. In my mind I have seen the proof that Bush and Cheney are criminals. All we need is the people that somehow believe they are incompetent to the point of dereliction of duty to agree we have to impeach them before their term is up to save our honor and moral integrity as a nation. We will still have the most powerful weapons systems and nuclear capability on Earth after we have a Nurumburg type trial and take back all the blood money from every chicken hawk war profiteer we can catch. The democratic majority of our citizens must gather together and impeach them. Once we join the planet Earth against the foes who have hijacked our nation we will be safer. Ya ya bla bla we may agree to disagree a bit but your opinion that they let it happen is good enough for me my friend, we are on the same page. PL&H K
'225 continuing a financial crimes enterprise: count one: Allowing and being part of a war profiteering scheme. The congress put limits on CEO and defense contractor pay and benefits to keep individuals from profiting from war, because the money used to protect our nation comes from every individual tax payer. See: § 2324. Allowable costs under defense contracts, FY 2001 -- $374,228, This determination is required to be made pursuant to Section 808 of Pub. L. 105-85. The average pay for defense CEOs was $11.6 million in 2004.
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Don't get me wrong, Bush and his cronies are most certainly criminals. Every day they're caught in a bed of lies. Look at what just happened, they actually want us to believe they didn't know Iran stopped their nuclear program in 2003. I don't know of anyone who believed Iran was building bombs for the last 4 years, nor anyone who believed that the Iranian government was shipping weapons over the border to help the insurgency, yet somehow our own government supposedly didn't know. This isn't America anymore. The only real threats to our already decaying nation are it's apathetic people and it's cruel government. I don't believe in impeachment. These extremist group of folks are like the mafia, they'll just find a way around it in the court. Or worse, they'll get Rudy elected by whatever illegal means necessary, and then we'll no doubt lose another few thousand while we kill another few hundred thousand, and all for no good reason when we foolishly invade Iran. It's obvious now that democracy won't work unless it's given a shove in the right direction once in a while. My fear is that Dubya has managed to set many evil precedents. It's no longer wrong for a President to throw out our Constitution, or to become aggressive against any nation in the world they choose. Neo-America is on the rise and it's ideals are hatred and needless violence. We, the people lost an entire city due to Neo-America. I could go on and on but I wouldn't be telling you anything you don't know already.
I say revolt. We can crucify the traitors and have some justice. We can guarentee health care to one and all. We can change the system if we so choose. We can make damn sure that nothing like this ever happens to America again, by setting a worthy precedent, the one Thomas Jefferson endorsed and surely would today. Instead of watching our allies wave as they walk away we can build even stronger relationships then we've ever enjoyed before. We could have rational government for a change, not just lies to cover one's own ass, indeed the kind of government where we have truly great men and women leading the people towards prosperity, all the people not just greedy scumsuckers. Or we can continue to take our chances every few years in this so-called democracy, but if we let just one more evil man in the White House we're doomed because of the doors that this current administration has opened. Just my opinion, not exactly humble, but oh well.
Oh and of course Bush allowed it to happen. It was really great for him. A question I'll probably wonder about until I'm dead is how much money has he made personally off of 9/11 directly and indirectly?
Just one question concerning your beliefs on 9/11. Why would they set up all these things to coordinate on that very day, when they'd have to know all of it would be exposed later and would be used against them, if they planned the attacks? Whether you or I am right, or we're both wrong, I hope in the short run we as a people can put this debate to bed and the truth is told whatever it may be. If it comes out that the theorists are right though, will that stop what we're doing in Afghanistan and Iraq? I mean we really, really want that oil.
I said this long ago about Saddam Hussein and it'll fit with Ahmedinijad (or however you spell his name). The thing that is most important to these types of leaders is power, and they'll destroy even their own country to keep it, including their biggest and best weapons. I guess in a way the same thing could be said of Dubya.
Have a good day Ken. Sorry this is kind of long and longwinded.
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Why hasn't someone taken an old plane that is about ready for the boneyard and crash it into a mock up of the Pentagon to see what it looks like? I've seen a lot of the tuber vids, google, and livevideo but am not aware of an empirical model. build it, buy a plane, and crash it right into the building and see what it looks like. there weren't many airplane parts visible in the pics i have seen at the pentagon. My GUESS would be that there would be parts scattered for a half a mile in evey direction.
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http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
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http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/flash/photo/nation/pentagonattack/movie.htm
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http://911-strike.com/pentagon.htm
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Personally I remember seeing a still-shot taken from a security camera of the plane hitting. I don't know where to even start looking for this though. Or even if it was real. Can't exactly trust CNN.
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Dear Friend ..
Your post left Me with a feeling of Disgust and rage that anyone would even concider trying to explain away how a Boeing 757 Slammed into this Pentagon but only managed to poke a tiny Hole in the front of the Building Leave's Me with the conclusion that is was a Cruz Missle because unless you are blind as well as brain dead there is NOT ONE LOUSY PIECE OF BOEING WRECKAGE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT STATE ...
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Wow, I'm very glad I could give you a feeling of disgust and rage. I would take the time to blast this reply, but really it gets old talking about this. The only thing theorists have is a true hatred for the government (which I can appreciate fully) and a house of cards that is easily tumbled, as we've seen time and time again. Let's drop this already. When you can produce even one shred of real evidence, then come talk to me.
Oh and I think I said that I remembered seeing a picture. For all I know it could've been fake much like the ones your comrades are trying desperately to spread around. You surely know the ones I'm talking about. They have planes without windows and all that gibberish.
One more thing, don't ever call me "friend" and then disgrace the memories of those who died pointlessly in a terrorist attack. I do not wish to be associated with that.
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How many cameras were watching the Pentagon on 9/11? Why is there no footage of a plane hitting it? Was the plane a DC-10? or a 747? or a missile?
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